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Ork Pride · Apr 06, 2008, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

For those, like me, who enjoy a nice tidy bunch o' statistics, we have an interesting Dev Update today that provides data for the last couple of weeks. The update outlines the effectiveness of latest policy and practice enhancements for RMT-related activities.

Guild Wars players have expressed interest in learning how our actions in support of the recently expanded Real-Money Trading Policy have affected the game. We’d like to provide you with some facts and figures following the first two weeks of the new policy’s implementation.

During the first two weeks, we did the following:

Halted online distribution of demo accounts to combat spamming
Noted a significant reduction in RMT spamming
Blocked 391 abused IP addresses
Terminated 4,876 accounts associated with RMT networks
Removed 190,200,000 purchased gold from 771 players
Witnessed a substantial reduction in botting activity in the game
Witnessed a substantial drop in RMT account creation and RMT transactions

We will continue to monitor the outcomes of enforcing the new policies, and we greatly appreciate the solid support of the community in dealing with this important issue.

Head here for the Dev Update.

haha, yea, bragging material, arena.net. what a joke. arena.net cant brag about anything because everything they do, everybody else does much better.

Ulterion · Apr 08, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Oh here we go trying to turn yet another thread into a "remove loot scaling" thread. Moderators please keep these people on topic and send them to their one loot scale removal thread instead of hi-jacking every other one on here with their whines about loot scaling please.

QQ.. onoz! This thread's going to hell?! Somebody call the waaambulance! /wrists!! Waahaaahaaa...! /////

Get over it. It's just a frickin' post! *Hands Masterless Fall a baby bottle filled with milk.*

Ctb · Apr 08, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Ulterion

QQ.. onoz! This thread's going to hell?! Somebody call the waaambulance! /wrists!! Waahaaahaaa...! /////

Get over it. It's just a frickin' post! *Hands Masterless Fall a baby bottle filled with milk.*

Haha oh wow.

Your failure. It is epic.

CyberNigma · Apr 08, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

You should have given it back to all the players who don't break the rules.

lol, there you go.... some type of lottery system or contest to win the 'impounded' goodies :-)

w00t

HawkofStorms · Apr 08, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Longasc

And did anything change for you, did you notice a major price drop yet?

They got 771.

How many thousands did they NOT get?

Not really sorry to point out the negative sides, I still know two guys with duped items and large cash stocks that did not get banned. :>

So because they didn't ban everybody that broke the rules, they shouldn't even try?

I mean, what's the point of arresting murderers or drug dealers, murders are still going to happen and drugs will still be on the street right?

Idiots...

Albert Algorn · Apr 08, 2008, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Sweet, I can go back to the Temple of Balthazar again and the whispers have stopped. Thanks for reclaiming the game!

Creeping Carl · Apr 08, 2008, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Ulterion

QQ.. onoz! This thread's going to hell?! Somebody call the waaambulance! /wrists!! Waahaaahaaa...! /////

Get over it. It's just a frickin' post! *Hands Masterless Fall a baby bottle filled with milk.*

Wow. Just when I thought forum goers couldnt get any more childish.

Ctb · Apr 08, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

Wow. Just when I thought forum goers couldnt get any more childish.

What amazes me is that through all that he actually used all the punctuation more or less correctly, if not academically so.

Ulterion · Apr 09, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Haha oh wow.

Your failure. It is epic.

You're a moron. 12345666...

Commander Kanen · Apr 09, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00

I think alot of people on this thread need there posts removing and a 3 day ban... XD

lacasner · Apr 09, 2008, 01:04 AM // 01:04

Imo, the reason that these stats were even made public is to just manipulate peoples thoughts about this. Nobody really knows the impact botters/dupers/gold sellers had on this economy.

The reason? Well, since it can be done, and since no one bothered to do it, I'll just say that no one really cared about it. Then again, this is nothing more than a product sold to us by a bussiness, and is by no means a service that needs to be maintained. I think people need to realize this before they immerse themselves in this game any more than just a little temporary entertainment source.

Bront · Apr 09, 2008, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Oh, and hey, on this topic. When we say we "removed" the gold, in truth we "destroyed" the gold. Something a player said to me last night made me think that there was this image of millions of "reclaimed" gold hidden away in some cyber vaults at ArenaNet.

When we remove the gold, it's deleted from the game.

We know you got it as a going away present Gaile, don't lie to us!

Good job on the removal. I've noticed a decrease in spammers over the last few weeks, and that's a good thing.

As for the "Effect on the economy", beyond Ectos possibly going up in value a bit due to less gold to buy them, I don't think it will have any other real effect. That's likely a drop in the bucket in terms of money.

Musei Karasu · Apr 09, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

I can imagine the next general assembly of the UBotMyMMO RMT company:
Boss: Ok what's up with the business guys?
Chairman: They removed 90% of our botters in GW!
Technical boss: Yep, and they banned our IP addresses.
Chairman: And they're even bragging about their actions on fansites!
Boss: What? You mean we can't parasite their game anymore?
Technical boss: Oh, we'll find a way, we'll always be smarter (that's what fans say).
Finance boss: Yes but we need money, fast and it needs to flow guys.
Boss: We need to take action and take back the business that belongs to us! (violently hit the table and crunches the Gaile Gray doll)
Jeff Strain (flying through the window of the 27th floor office): Ah ah! We pwned you RMTers, you shall now know the power of the bot-killer, in the name of the customer protection!

Corrected:
I can imagine the following general meeting of the company of UBotMyMMO RMT:
Chief: Was a certain something recognized the business person? C
hairman: They removed the 90% of our botters of gigawatt!
Technical chief: It was, and prohibited their our IP addresses.
Chairman: And those are the uniform thing which you brag concerning the behavior of fansites!
Chief: What? Intermediate we the parasite their game is not possible anymore?
Technical chief: Well, rather than those which we say ventilate (always and) being we the smart you find the method of being.
Chief of public finance: If it is and but is fast our money, necessary the person it is necessary to flow.
Chief: It is necessary to take the business where we take disposal, belong to us! (To be extreme the collision table and the doll of gray of crunching Gaile)
tension of ジェフ (the flight which passes through the window of the office of the 27th floor): At the time of the ampere well! As for us being name of protection of the customer, power of the bot killer who now of RMTers has known, pwned!

because we all know the RMTers have rather broken Enrgish.

Fril Estelin · Apr 21, 2008, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Very interestingly, the "other side" is also publishing some stats:
http://www.playnoevil.com/serendipit...s-winning.html

Slight increase in price from $6 to $8 in the February-April period apparently explained by holidays in China (strange!).

Most interestingly, it seems that MMO companies are failing to put obstacle in the way of RMT companies, as can be seen in Runescape and EQ2's legit RMT.

(comments on the article are both interesting and funny, particularly the hilarious message from an RMT employee...)

Abedeus · Apr 21, 2008, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Guess what's even funnier? Poland's Ebay, allegro.pl, has created a category ,,guild wars'' so people can sell items/gold easier... Yet they don't allow illegal copies of games/music/films to be sold. What's the difference damn it? Does the fact that money is in game makes this money any worse? Or they choose laws for themselves? :O

Fril Estelin · Apr 21, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

illegal copies of games/music/films to be sold. What's the difference damn it?

The difference is that music/film industries are lobbying very hard against this (even against giving away their amazing profits to authors, see recent strikes). See a thread I created a while ago. Laws are not different, but people think they are.

manitoba1073 · Apr 21, 2008, 09:27 AM // 09:27

Fril dont you think its funny WoW is doing the exact opposite of GW and there gettig rid of RTM's faster.

Fril Estelin · Apr 21, 2008, 09:59 AM // 09:59

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Fril dont you think its funny WoW is doing the exact opposite of GW and there gettig rid of RTM's faster.

1) If it was the case, I don't think it'd be funny as RMT is a plague (you probably didn't intend your sentence to sound like it's really funny, but I thought I'd say it anyway); 2) I don't think it's the case that they're doing the opposite (both Anet and Blizzard made official announcements against RMT) and that Blizzard is more successful at tackling this issue (until further evidence).

P.S.: anyone knows how much 50k GW gold compares to 300 Horde Gold in WoW? (RMT price says Wow's 300go is worth 3 times more than GW's 50k)?

Kashrlyyk · Apr 21, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

1) If it was the case, I don't think it'd be funny as RMT is a plague (you probably didn't intend your sentence to sound like it's really funny, but I thought I'd say it anyway);

In the Germany in that context the word "funny" would have the meaning of "weird" or "curios". Maybe that is the case here, too.

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

2) I don't think it's the case that they're doing the opposite (both Anet and Blizzard made official announcements against RMT) and that Blizzard is more successful at tackling this issue (until further evidence).

This is what Oles said on GWO:

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Originally Posted by Oles

I noticed something...

Blizzard added "Daily Quests", which allow a high-end player to get about $5-$10 worth of gold every day w/o too much time investment.

Anet added "keyless chests", which allow a high-end player get about <$1 worth of gold every couple of months.

Blizzard > Anet?

If it is true, than yes Blizzard does the exact opposite of what ANet did with LS!

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

P.S.: anyone knows how much 50k GW gold compares to 300 Horde Gold in WoW? (RMT price says Wow's 300go is worth 3 times more than GW's 50k)?

The question is, is it three times harder to obtain 300go or not? Assume it takes the same amount of time for both values, then the higher price, would be used to compensate for a higher risk of being caught, right?

MrSlayer · Apr 21, 2008, 04:06 PM // 16:06

Pretty cool to see the stats...

Shame it appears that in the anet link about RMT, they've spelt it RTM (this is going off the links on the current in-game reminder message)